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		<title>By: &#160; The challenge of a (university research) council website&#160;by&#160;andydickinson.net</title>
		<link>http://blog.localdemocracy.org.uk/2009/08/27/local-newspapers-v-council-newspapers-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-1555</link>
		<dc:creator>&#160; The challenge of a (university research) council website&#160;by&#160;andydickinson.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reminds me of the some of the issues that surround much of the &#8216;council newspapers&#8216; debate. These are organizations who should be open up to a bit of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: paul canning</title>
		<link>http://blog.localdemocracy.org.uk/2009/08/27/local-newspapers-v-council-newspapers-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>paul canning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well look at it this way. One of the reasons that local papers are in trouble is losing their classified ads to online. Hyper-local has the potential to boost revenue - this post points to some evidence http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/editor/2009/08/07/news-ideas-ultra-local-journalism-could-save-us-all/ - and I&#039;d venture in more relevant to more people.

I&#039;d suggest that this is what councils should be encouraging, rather than - as Paul points out - the shoring up of outdated edifices which are in practice monopolies deciding what voices get heard locally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well look at it this way. One of the reasons that local papers are in trouble is losing their classified ads to online. Hyper-local has the potential to boost revenue &#8211; this post points to some evidence <a href="http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/editor/2009/08/07/news-ideas-ultra-local-journalism-could-save-us-all/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/editor/2009/08/07/news-ideas-ultra-local-journalism-could-save-us-all/</a> &#8211; and I&#8217;d venture in more relevant to more people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that this is what councils should be encouraging, rather than &#8211; as Paul points out &#8211; the shoring up of outdated edifices which are in practice monopolies deciding what voices get heard locally.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Evans</title>
		<link>http://blog.localdemocracy.org.uk/2009/08/27/local-newspapers-v-council-newspapers-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure he&#039;s *that* enthusiastic about The Northern Echo - and both the councillor concerned and Roy Greenslade are being too kind here: The Northern Echo isn&#039;t *that* good a paper really. Certainly, there are very few local authorities that can expect a local paper to provide much by way of pluralism or quality reporting. 

My central point is that commercial publishing is very inefficient in this country. It makes a lot of money and doesn&#039;t give much back - and this is because a near-monopoly situation has been allowed to grow up in the UK. Politicians are a bit shy of regulating media groups - and this is something that needs to change. 

The idea that London can only sustain one London-wide paid-for daily along with sister morning and evening free-sheets is just laughable. A title has been allowed to abuse its monopoly position to keep others out of the market and politicians are unwilling to get tangled up in this one. The same is true elsewhere.

There are plenty of examples of local papers swallowing the TPA&#039;s garbage wholesale - in my line of work, I speak to local government press officers quite a bit, and it&#039;s a common concern that the TPA will write some incredible horseshit and local papers will recycle it unquestioned.

There&#039;s just a reporting bias: No-one collates the way that local papers pick up TPA stories. These guys - http://taxpayersalliance.org/ - only really monitor the nationals - they don&#039;t have huge donations from non-taxpayers to sustain them y&#039;see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure he&#8217;s *that* enthusiastic about The Northern Echo &#8211; and both the councillor concerned and Roy Greenslade are being too kind here: The Northern Echo isn&#8217;t *that* good a paper really. Certainly, there are very few local authorities that can expect a local paper to provide much by way of pluralism or quality reporting. </p>
<p>My central point is that commercial publishing is very inefficient in this country. It makes a lot of money and doesn&#8217;t give much back &#8211; and this is because a near-monopoly situation has been allowed to grow up in the UK. Politicians are a bit shy of regulating media groups &#8211; and this is something that needs to change. </p>
<p>The idea that London can only sustain one London-wide paid-for daily along with sister morning and evening free-sheets is just laughable. A title has been allowed to abuse its monopoly position to keep others out of the market and politicians are unwilling to get tangled up in this one. The same is true elsewhere.</p>
<p>There are plenty of examples of local papers swallowing the TPA&#8217;s garbage wholesale &#8211; in my line of work, I speak to local government press officers quite a bit, and it&#8217;s a common concern that the TPA will write some incredible horseshit and local papers will recycle it unquestioned.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s just a reporting bias: No-one collates the way that local papers pick up TPA stories. These guys &#8211; <a href="http://taxpayersalliance.org/" rel="nofollow">http://taxpayersalliance.org/</a> &#8211; only really monitor the nationals &#8211; they don&#8217;t have huge donations from non-taxpayers to sustain them y&#8217;see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wardman</title>
		<link>http://blog.localdemocracy.org.uk/2009/08/27/local-newspapers-v-council-newspapers-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Wardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul

I disagree here. Writing as an enthusiast for politically engaged local sites (I&#039;m building a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nutshell.org.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;directory&lt;/a&gt;), I&#039;m not sure that your evidence fully supports your argument.

The Doncaster Councillor is not &quot;damned if he does or doesn&#039;t&quot;; in his own area he is damned by his council having run a paper which by his own argument is not necessary, since the Northern Echo does the job he expects of it.

I&#039;d suggest that creative Councils could perhaps be exploring the idea of putting a percentage of their proposed &quot;newspaper&quot; budget (say 50%) into a co-operative programme with their local paper - such as an informational insert combined with a partially free issue when that is done. Perhaps that would be a win-win. This was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lga.gov.uk/lga/aio/1857732&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;noticeably missing&lt;/a&gt; from Council Responses in the LGA survey a few months ago (small pdf - last table).

Given the amounts that Council&#039;s can spend on these publications (Bristol City spend £216k on a bimonthly 16 page mag &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/our_city_magazine#incoming-26309&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;for example&lt;/a&gt;), it could make a big difference.

Can I also question your Tax Payers Alliance point? The piece you link to by &lt;a href=&quot;http://markreckons.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-are-taxpayers-alliance-quoted-so.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mark Thompson&lt;/a&gt; links to 8 examples of &#039;media swallowing TPA press releases&#039;. Of those, 7 are national media and one is a London suburb (Richmond). 

In any terms that is not a case against the local press. Are there perhaps other examples you can quote? 

Rgds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul</p>
<p>I disagree here. Writing as an enthusiast for politically engaged local sites (I&#8217;m building a <a href="http://www.nutshell.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">directory</a>), I&#8217;m not sure that your evidence fully supports your argument.</p>
<p>The Doncaster Councillor is not &#8220;damned if he does or doesn&#8217;t&#8221;; in his own area he is damned by his council having run a paper which by his own argument is not necessary, since the Northern Echo does the job he expects of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that creative Councils could perhaps be exploring the idea of putting a percentage of their proposed &#8220;newspaper&#8221; budget (say 50%) into a co-operative programme with their local paper &#8211; such as an informational insert combined with a partially free issue when that is done. Perhaps that would be a win-win. This was <a href="http://www.lga.gov.uk/lga/aio/1857732" rel="nofollow">noticeably missing</a> from Council Responses in the LGA survey a few months ago (small pdf &#8211; last table).</p>
<p>Given the amounts that Council&#8217;s can spend on these publications (Bristol City spend £216k on a bimonthly 16 page mag <a href="http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/our_city_magazine#incoming-26309" rel="nofollow">for example</a>), it could make a big difference.</p>
<p>Can I also question your Tax Payers Alliance point? The piece you link to by <a href="http://markreckons.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-are-taxpayers-alliance-quoted-so.html" rel="nofollow">Mark Thompson</a> links to 8 examples of &#8216;media swallowing TPA press releases&#8217;. Of those, 7 are national media and one is a London suburb (Richmond). </p>
<p>In any terms that is not a case against the local press. Are there perhaps other examples you can quote? </p>
<p>Rgds</p>
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		<title>By: paul canning</title>
		<link>http://blog.localdemocracy.org.uk/2009/08/27/local-newspapers-v-council-newspapers-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-497</link>
		<dc:creator>paul canning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Irish example is extremely interesting because so much I&#039;ve read has pointed to hyper-local reporting as a profitable future. Profitable because it brings with it excellent targeted opportunities for advertisers simply not available elsewhere.

I&#039;ve noted Swedish newspapers doing this - http://twitzap.com/u/c38 - ironically via a Greenslade HT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Irish example is extremely interesting because so much I&#8217;ve read has pointed to hyper-local reporting as a profitable future. Profitable because it brings with it excellent targeted opportunities for advertisers simply not available elsewhere.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noted Swedish newspapers doing this &#8211; <a href="http://twitzap.com/u/c38" rel="nofollow">http://twitzap.com/u/c38</a> &#8211; ironically via a Greenslade HT!</p>
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		<title>By: Best of the web 28/08/09 &#124; www.the-vibe.co.uk</title>
		<link>http://blog.localdemocracy.org.uk/2009/08/27/local-newspapers-v-council-newspapers-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Best of the web 28/08/09 &#124; www.the-vibe.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The reason that local authorities have a case for launching newspapers to rival local titles is because a near-monopoly situation has been allowed to arise, creating an impoverished standard of local journalism. This is not the case in other countries, and addressing this question should be our priority. The &#8216;Pravda&#8217; line of attack is a distraction from this. http://blog.localdemocracy.org.uk/2009/08/27/local-newspapers-v-council-newspapers-redux/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The reason that local authorities have a case for launching newspapers to rival local titles is because a near-monopoly situation has been allowed to arise, creating an impoverished standard of local journalism. This is not the case in other countries, and addressing this question should be our priority. The &#8216;Pravda&#8217; line of attack is a distraction from this. <a href="http://blog.localdemocracy.org.uk/2009/08/27/local-newspapers-v-council-newspapers-redux/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.localdemocracy.org.uk/2009/08/27/local-newspapers-v-council-newspapers-redux/</a> [...]</p>
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